If you've ever felt responsible for holding a family together, saving a church, or making sure everyone else is okay, you'll probably hear a bit of yourself in this conversation. John welcomes pastor and author Rev. Kara Root to talk about The Pilgrimage of Letting Go, the book she co-authored with her husband, Andy Root. They reflect on control, anxiety, congregational leadership, Sabbath, pilgrimage, and the surprising freedom that comes when we stop believing everything depends on us.